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The Roat Deal

Every so often, just about as often as a new issue of Offshore Diver Magazine comes out, John Roat writes a new column. As each is published in the magazine, the last one migrates to these pages online. His most recent column is the one currently featured in the magazine. Feel free to email him with your questions, comments, or accusations. This guy's the real deal and he definitely has his very own groove.

 

Born 11/16/42. I am currently a working diver, surface air/gas and a saturation supervisor. I was a member of Underwater Demolition Teams 21, UDT 11 and SEAL Team 1. I went to work for Taylor Diving and Salvage the end of 1969 as a tender and broke out at Taylor Diving in 1970. I have also worked for Sub Sea, Comex, J. Ray McDermott, Tennessee Valley Authority, Global, Martech, Offshore Petroleum Divers, Cal Dive and too many small companies, some of them very good, to name. Taught rigging, open tanks, harbor and burning for one year at the College of Oceaneering. I authored “Oxy-Arc Underwater Burning Class”, a 90-minute training video and manual, for Oceans Technology. If I were evaluating myself in this business it would be: good divers, that will leave the next diver well, burn with the best of them. I am proudest of having never bent or injured a diver. I have been running dive’s from 1969, when the tender did the job. I have been supervising since 1977.

 

I do believe there are more then one good way to do things.
The following are a couple of my opinions, let me know what you think:

 

 

History and Standards

    Up until just after those two hurricanes that gave us the last couple years uninterrupted work you didn't get depth pay for the first 50 feet. I just wanted to pass on a little history that might go by the wayside if doesn't get told. The guy that got that for us is Travis Detke who was the Ops Manger for Aquatica. At the time Cal Dive owned Aquatica and was about to swallow up STOLT when the storms hit. Travis and I had worked closely for a couple years and every time divers pay was brought up Travis would say the divers should get depth for every foot. I would laugh and think fat chance, we have been getting screwed out of that one since I've been in the business. I was acting, that means don't tell anyone, Lead Supervisor for Cal Dive and Aquatica so I got to go to all the muck le muck meetings and stick in my two cents. As soon as the fist hurricane was gone the price of diving went up and the poaching of divers and tenders started. At the: How-Are-We-Going-To-Keep-Them-And-Get-More meeting Travis struck and I'll be dammed; the powers that be thought it was a good Idea, Well, within a month of Cal Dive/Stolt/Aquatica getting it everyone was paying depth from the surface. So if you run into Travis Detke, buy him a drink and say thanks.

What's happening to the work?
Well, for the guys that are new, by new I mean the last couple years to the GOM, its called winter slow down. Sometimes winters aren't too bad for work, sometimes there is no work. So get use to it, this is the real world of commercial diving in the Gulf. Yes there will be cut backs by the Diving Companies. In most cases they won't have to send out pink slips, most of those that leave, will go because they didn't bank any money when it was rock & roll work. If you're good, stick it out. I would hate to see some of the good young hands that joined us after the hurricanes leave.

What's happening to our business?
Change is well in hand and it will be the most wide ranging change I have seen in my 39 years in this industry. I going to list some of what the ADCI is recommending to their board of directors for Revision #6 of The ADCI Consensus Standards. Why is this important? Because if they are passed by the Board of Directors, they will be presenting these to the Coast Guard for consideration for their new CFR's. CFR's are law, not agreements or suggestions. So if you plan to work in this business for a while, pay attention.



Recommended for Revision #6:
Saturation
For Saturation Diving: There will be a new recommended requirement for a Hyperbaric Emergency Evacuation System, excluding the bell. This will also have specific parameters for emergency on-board gas and the need for a portable LSCS (Life Support Control System), ready for immediate mobilization to the dive site. There will be requirements for all LARS (Launch and Recovery Systems) to be man-rated, a secondary system for Bell recovery, as well as a redundant power supply. There will be new manning requirements for all applications of surface supplied diving applications.
In other words they be making our Sat Systems much safer.

Oxy Arc Burning
A. Any oxy-arc cutting operation is potentially hazardous and should, therefore, be part of a risk assessment. The operational requirements in conjunction with the competency of personnel assigned to perform the task and the operational characteristics of the equipment should be assessed to determine the degree of risk involved.

B. All personnel directly involved in Underwater Burning Operation, both the Oxygen/Arc Cutting Process and the Exothermic Cutting Process, should have passed a basic Underwater Burning Safety Class, based on Ocean s Technology Inc. Underwater OXY-ARC Burning Course. Each Dive Company should certify their personal to the following minimum Standard.

1. Supervisors, Divers, and Tenders should take a written test on Safe Burning Practices.
2. Supervisors, Divers, and Tenders should demonstrate practical knowledge by selecting equipment, checking it out and setting it up properly.
3. Divers should Demonstrate Safe Burning Technique with all company approved Rods to a minimum of:

With Exothermic rod
A) Burn 6” Schedule 80 pipe using no more than 3 rods, No Hangers. 4 minutes start to finish.
B) Burn ¾” thick steel for a distance 24 inches using no more than 5 rods. No HANGERS. 8 minutes start to finish.
C) Burn 1” thick clean steel for a distance of 18” using no more than 5 rods. No Hangers. 12 minutes start to finish..

With Tubular Steel
A) Burn ½” clean steel for a distance of 18” using no more than 3 rods, No Hangers. 4 minutes start to finish.
B) Burn 1” clean steel for a distance of 18” using no more than 3 rods. No Hangers. 6 minutes start to finish.
C) Burn 2” clean steel for a distance of 18” using no more than 5 rods. No Hangers. 10 minutes start to finish.

On any job over a 100 ft or requiring Decompression the minimum crew will go from 3 to 5 if the recommendations are accepted. Now that's just three areas I've mentioned but I think you get the drift. Every way we do our work will be affected.
 

 

Please see: http://www.mms.gov/tarprojects/537.htm

This report to MMS, HSE and others will document a minimum of 30 deaths

and  600 incidents involving explosions due to Underwater Burning.

If we are not on top of this before the report is issued, then

someone else will dictate what will be done.

and...

Hoo Yah Brandon Bandemer! 

 

I think many of you know Bryon Bandemer, a long time well thought of diver and supervisor for Cal Dive, from Morgan City La. Well a couple years ago we where on a job and Byron was telling me about his son that was in high school and wanted to be a SEAL. If I remember right I signed one of my books, about my training class and told his dad if Brandon wants to talk let me know. I didn’t hear anything for about a year then got a call.

 

Left to right: Amanda, Mom Mechelle, Dad Bryon , Sister Kellee,

New SEAL Brandon and Brother Wesley in the middle.

 

It was Bryon telling me that Brandon had started BUDS, Basic Underwater Demolition & SEAL Training. Well in November I got to go down to Morgan City and visit with Brandon and his family. He had completed the first four nasty months and was getting a few days off before he moved on to jump school. He will be graduating soon .His Class number is Class-265 mine was Class-29. There were 236 classes between Brandon’s and mine but he is My Green Brother!

 

 

        I will do my best to answer any response to the things I say. That is, if you put your name and e-mail address with it. If there is no name and e-mail address, I won’t post your e-mail and I won’t respond.  If you just want to let everyone know how you fell about what I say, without putting your name on it, post it on the discussion board.

 

John Carl Roat

Diver/Supervisor/Superintendent

Dive Safe: It is Profitable and Hurts Less

 

 

click here to email Roat

 

Response:

 

Thank you for the kind words about Brandon. He is going through CQT now and still doing well. Please pass on to Duke that I appreciate his kind words also. I dont know if he remembers this but Brandon stayed with me the last week at the college of oceaneering. Duke made him dip rods and clean all the welding machines. Brandon was my radio and knife switch operator, one of the best tenders I ever had and he was only 9 years old. Duke was also one of the reasons that Brandon chose this path in life. Thanks to both of you and keep giving the younger guys hell, some of them listen and move on to great things.

Regards
Bryon Bandemer
SAT-5 Superintendent
Cal Dive International


Just happened to read your latest "Roat Deal"...good news about the recommendations to the ADCI regarding sat systems, burning et.al.

But the best news is about Bryon Bandemer's son going through BUD/S!!!! Bryon was one of my trainees on the Welding Pier at the College of Oceaneering years ago... was very pleased to learn that he is a supervisor at Cal Dive. If his son is anything like his father, then Teams will be getting a sterling lad.

Make it Hot, Go Slow and Stay Low,

Duke, 30wc

 

 

 

 



John has also authored a book on his experiences in SEAL training.

Click on the cover image to read reviews and order the book
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From the Diver's Forum:
Posted by Surprised Diver on 7/11/2004, 6:05:56
I read that old bastard Roat’s book, Class-29, I couldn’t put it down. No wonder he has so little patience, most of us don’t know what the words "team work" or "effort" mean. The thing that surprised me most was he made me laugh. I hate to give him the satisfaction but I’m going to ask him to sign it. Well maybe not.

 
Real Deal SEAL Team website: www.navyfrogmen.com

 

John's previous columns are archived here:
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